OK, that's it. That's JUST ABOUT FUCKING ENOUGH, thank you.

[WilliamPitt]

"I swear it is my great hope tha McCain wins the election"

Your great hope? Really? If so, you need to get out of the house more...so you can find some nice highway traffic to play in, you wretched pathetic pallid pale weak watery shitass excuse for an American.

Second time in 48 hours I've seen this exact sentiment posted ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. And no, it wasn't posted by the same person. Maybe it is only troll shit, but I don't care.

I don't give one wet slippery shit who you support for the nomination.

I don't care if you vote in the general come November, either. If you're so catastrophically fucked in the head that you don't know the difference between the Devil and the deep blue sea come November, well...you represent 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002% of the left-leaning electorate, so we can pretty much survive your masturbatory self-righteous abstinence...just so long as you say thanks once things start getting better, which they will, NO MATTER which of our kids wins the balloon party this summer.

I don't care.

But. I. Swear. To. God.

If I see another poster in this godforsaken testical-kick of a forum say they hope the GOP wins the White House in November, I will personally burn your fucking house down, drive your car into the nearest available bridge strut, ruin your credit, deflower your chicadee, manhandle your couch cushions after eating lye with my bare hands, and make you watch while I sit down in the charred wasteland of your former livingroom and punch myself in the face over and over and over and over and over again, until the chicadee throws in the towel or until you pee your pants and promise never to do it again.

Oh, and FUCK YOURSELF to boot. Yes, you. You're thinking about daring me on this. Don't. I know where you live.

The Supreme Court matters, assbag. Choice matters. Lather rinse repeat.

Gonna be a lot of smoke and sore-ass birds if this stupid idiotic self-destructive garbage comes up again on my watch.

Jesus.

Yeah.

I had to fucking say that.

:banghead:

[bigtree]

1. amen.

:kick:

[tpsbmam]

112. Amen to that amen!

Good lord, I want to dig a hole and climb in it when I read all of the "I'm not voting if my candidate doesn't win" crap. I want to pull the dirt in after me when I hear "I'm voting for McCain" (or Nader) if my candidate doesn't win" crap. Give me a break!

[papau]

217. another Amen here - but where was Will when Hillary had Obama folks saying the same?

[WilliamPitt]

218. I'm sure it was awesome.

Glad I missed it.

[MADem]

251. Who the hell are you, Al Gore???

Spouting "Inconvenient Truths" like that!! ???


:rofl:

:thumbsup:

[aasleka]

386. manhandle your couch cushions after eating lye with my bare hands

LOL!!!!

[Mz Pip]

2. THe voice of reason!

:applause:

SCOTUS SCOTUS SCOTUS is my mantra.

[oldtime dfl_er]

274. Will, you're like a grownup

among kindergartners. Thanks for being the voice of (albeit angry) reason. This place needs a good kick upside the head from time to time, and frankly I've been very dismayed by what I've read here lately. Thank heaven some are keeping reasoned heads.

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

137. Deleted message

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[Truth2Tell]

210. I'd be interested in seeing

a link from either you or Will to these posts. Just out of curiosity of course.

[rox63]

4. Preach it, Brother Pitt!

K&R!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

132. I second that emotion . . .

I don't think this country could survive another four/eight years of this Rethgulian nightmare. McVain scares the bejeebers out of me with that maniacal stare of his. I only pray Obama - and not Hillary - is our nominee, or else I may have to sit this one out, or dare I say, take a closer look at what Ralph's selling.

[drm604]

143. You've got to be kidding me.

This is what you post in response to that OP? :crazy:

[Adams Wulff]

208. Talk about missing the point.

Hide yer chickadees, dude!

[ZinZen]

224. I don't like at Hillary at this point

but if she pull out an upset I will definitely vote for her over McCain. SCOTUS is too important. Plus, Hill isn't boneheaded crazy like Grandpa Strangelove.

[Maraya1969]

254. I can't believe you just said that. How ignorant.

[countmyvote4real]

305. Unfuckingbelievable.

How do Dems win if Dems don't vote for Dems?

Bless your heart. You probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

Or driving.

[rhett o rick]

389. I totally understand. Although i will probably support Clinton, I do not appreciate the above commen

ts. These are not liberals. They are lock step Democrats. Vote for Democrats no matter what. Vote for Schumer or DiFi or Pelosi or Lieberman. These people don't think for themselves but follow the party. Not very open minded. They are why we get DINO's in office.

[Raven]

5. William! Take a deep breath and

GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!!!!!!!:P

[WilliamPitt]

6. *peep*

:hug:

[JuniperLea]

292. I used to really piss my dad off with that one!

Too funny!

He learned the best way to get me to do something was to tell me not to!

He has also learned how NOT to vote Republican! Life long staunch... until the CA primary... he's now a Democrat! And I don't care which one he voted for! I'm just damn proud of the way I raised him! LOL!

[KatyaR]

328. Oops--

somebody's mom isn't very happy . . . .

:rofl:

[Yael]

7. But if McCain wins, Hillary gets another chance

This nomination was 'stolen' from her.

Yeppers -- been quite the sentiment here...

[Pryderi]

78. *EXACTLY* Anyone that wants McCain to win is a traitor.

[BobbyVan]

236. Traitor to Dems or the country?

I'm sure you meant the Dems, right?

[frogcycle]

344. just had to break a vow and log in to comment

to the fucking COUNTRY, nimrod!

promoting the continuation of the systematic dismantling of our government is fucking treason.

bush and cheney are traitors, and supporting mccain is supporting the cabal


Get it?

[BobbyVan]

434. Whatever McCain's faults (and there are many), he got tortured for being an American

So "frogcycle", I just don't think the "traitor" charge is going to stick.

Dangerously wrong, yes.

I hope we can refine our rhetoric so that we can win votes, rather than demonizing those who misguidedly support our opponents.

[Maraya1969]

259. Anyone who wants McCain to win is just plain ignorant.

Sorry to keep repeating myself but ignorance is the word that keeps coming to mind when I hear these people talk such stupid crap.

[mmonk]

8. With you all the way.

Another Republican winning will be disastrous for this country for a generation. Waiting for Justices to die out before proper adjudication of constitutional issues would take too long and might be a permanent change we can't affect.

[NOLALady]

139. I doubt we will wait.

Another warmonger insane freak and Armageddon is around the country. If anyone survives, they will start from scratch.

[pokercat999]

291. Boy hero = man coward, circa 2000 SC primary.

[SusanaMontana41]

340. Well said

Progressives no doubt were more outraged by the GWB/Rove tactics there than was McCain. All he did was bend over and slather on the Astroglide.

[pdxmom]

9. K&R - Thank you, Will. There are those around here who are more

concerned about being right than they are about what is right for this country.

[K Gardner]

10. Will.. lol.. stop banging your head. Oh, and you rock!

[anniebelle]

11. woohoo! Thanks, I feel better now.

[KaryninMiami]

12. Thank's Will- well stated. I too have had enough - get with the program folks- WE MUST WIN in Nov.

We must and will support whichever candidate is nominated- regardless of who we prefer at this very minute- for God's sake people-- how can you- any of you- even begin to consider voting GOP or supporting a GOP win. We CANNOT-- allow McCain to win. Period. Congress matters- the Supreme Court matters- our planet matters- the world's view of us matters- our country matters- Everyone get off of your stupid high horses, stop the bickering and the in-party destruction and get on board with the fact that if we lose in November, it really CAN and WILL GET Worse.

Thanks, Will for the reminder.

[angie_love]

13. K&R!!

These assholes who want McCain to win are traitrous fucks who deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed.

[reggie the dog]

173. that I can agree with

but burning down their houses???

[MADem]

233. Somewhat hyperbolic. Not QUITE as bad as the rant of that rightwing

loon Coulter who wanted women raped and the "opposing team" converted to Christianity.

Meeting asinine "Go McCain" invective with equally asinine "Burn down your house" invective is never helpful and it does not raise the level of discourse. It just perpetuates it.

IMO.

[reggie the dog]

248. right on

I prefer fighting fire with suds, or water, not fire...

But backfires do help from time to time whilst fighting wildfires.

[C_U_L8R]

14. F*ckin' A !

right on

[Prefer]

15. a "slippery wet shit"?

I guess that's a couple notches past "not giving a tinker's damn."

Willy is fired up!

[rambler_american]

186. I thought

the wet slippery shit was the person who posted that he/she wanted McCain to win in November. Hell, I still think so.

[Coexist]

16. did you alert on the post?

I think DU is in need of another cleansing. The cage is gettng smelly.

[Frisbee]

343. I sure as hell did...

I was, when I read it, to use the words of Nice Guy Eddie, from Reservoir Dogs... Super Fuckin' Pissed!

[Window]

17. Great rant Will.

And right on time.



Peace:thumbsup:

[workinclasszero]

18. The only people on this forum that want to see McCain win...

must be undercover freepers.:mad:

Or maybe the criminally insane.:argh:

Or both!:nuke:

Who the hell wants 4 more years of bodybags coming home from Iraq plus at least 11 billion a month that could go to building infrastructure and social programs?

Lets see 11 billion x 48= 528 BILLION. Yeah a cool half a TRILLION for progressive social programs! And no one has to DIE for it either!

Plus king georges tax cut for the rich will go away adding many more millions or billions to be spent right here in the USA!

In the heat of the moment yesterday I said I would never vote for Hillary..but..I'll hold my nose and do it if I must.

The survival of this country demands a democratic administration regardless of who is in charge. (But its gonna be Obama!):)

[workinclasszero]

33. Oh yeah....recommended eom

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

19. Nice. K & R.

At one point, I thought we had enough of them to start a DUers for McCain forum.

Anyone who thinks that scenario is acceptable in any circumstance is in the wrongest possible place... :grr:

[deadlyaj]

wonderful!

here here!

[SammyWinstonJack]

169. Shouldn't that be,

hear hear!? :shrug:

[NWHarkness]

20. Toss them out

In 2004 DU tossed out the Greens who refused to support the Democratic ticket. This is a Democratic site. Republicans should no more be allowed here than they would be on our convention floor.

[still_one]

21. LOL, we will vote for the Democratic nominee when November comes

As far as your remarks regarding

"burn your fucking house down, drive your car into the nearest available bridge strut, ruin your credit," etc.

The repugs have already beat you to that, which is another reason why we will win

[WilliamPitt]

25. OK, so I'll re-burn the rubble and date the bird anyway.

:grr:

:toast:

Good point. :(

[Midlodemocrat]

22. Anyone who posts that should be banned. Instantly.

[liberal N proud]

84. I second that motion

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. You Assume They're Old Enough To Even Have Credit.

Silly lad. :P


(ok ok, snark aside, awesome OP. I feel ya!)

:toast:

[Serial Mom]

24. Yes, yes, oh yes - you hit the spot!

[LowerManhattanite]

26. Saw that too, and I was tempted...

...to alert, but I figured, “What's the use?” after I checked his profile.

He/she's a longtime poster here—since '01, and the unspoken policy here seems to be that old-timers with high post counts are allowed a certain amount of leeway. It takes a loooooooonnnnnnnng time for flamebait posts by them to be locked, a longtime for them to get a message removed, and they are almost NEVER tombstoned for acts that would get a person who came here in the last couple of years “the granite chiclet”.

On a DEMOCRATIC forum, someone spouting “I swear it is my great hope tha McCain wins the election" with rules openly against PUSHING FOR THE DEFEAT OF DEMS should be disciplined.

But no.

People use their seniority to get away with the most scurrilous shit. They can say that Obama's starting a “race war” with his very presence in the race, or pull from thin air the idea that his supporters will blame “the White Devil” should he lose the nom fight.

There is an ugly divisiveness in this forum and contrary to the whining of certain people—it's on both sides of the fence.

Spitefulness reigns. And there will be a lot of folks around here needing radical rhinoplasty to replace those mutilated noses come mid-November. :(

[tavalon]

285. He's also a somewhat famous author

who loses his cool sometimes and has likely been banned a time or two and has left a time or three. The place is much richer for having him.

[WilliamPitt]

319. Never banned, except when I tripped the board-spam doomsday device and

nuked my own ass off the forum. I do step away from time to time, tho. ;)

[tavalon]

373. I dunno, it sounds edgier the other way

Yeah, I know you step away from time to time. We all do, some of us just do it with more flair and literary ability. I usually go walk the dog.

[LowerManhattanite]

385. No, no, no William...

I wasn't talking about YOU. I was talking about the lunatic who spewed the filth you mentioned—this stuff:

“The dems who support Obama are fools and I swear it is my great hope tha McCain wins the election...truly I do not care if he appoints judges that wreck the constitution.”

That clown, who shall remain nameless—is who I cited when I spoke about longtime posters who are allowed to spew anti-Dem venom. Not you, William. Your work I respect immensely.

Just wanted to clear that up. :)

[Breeze54]

27. This is a post I'm proud to recommend!

Tell it!!

:kick: & Happily Recommended!!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

28. How ever much you actually do post around here, Will...

It's not enough. It's not nearly enough. Please post more. Thank you. K&R.

[mindfulNJ]

29. yup

I second that emotion.

:thumbsup:

[susanr516]

30. Excellent rant!! nt

[Mooney]

31. But how do you really feel about it?

Your post is somewhat ambiguous.

[WilliamPitt]

36. We're all mad here

You can hang me in a bottle like a cat
Let the crows pick me clean but for my hat
Where the wailing of a baby
Meets the footsteps of the dead
We're all mad here

As the devil sticks his flag into the mud
Mrs Carol has run off with Reverend Judd
Hell is such a lonely place
And your big expensive face will never last

And you'll die with the rose still on your lips
And in time the heart-shaped bone that was your hips
And the worms, they will climb the rugged ladder of your spine
We're all mad here

And my eyeballs roll this terrible terrain
And we're all inside a decomposing train
And your eyes will die like fish
And the shore of your face will turn to bone

:toast: to the master...

...who, rumor has it, will be touring again sometime soon.

Shh.

[wellstone dem]

32. SCOTUS nt

[Marrah_G]

34. I would be all for the Mods tightening thier rules around here for a bit

It is out of hand and there needs to be a massive clean sweep done.

[Scurrilous]

35. K & R

:thumbsup:

[spanone]

37. anyone who posts any shit like that should be banned for several lifetimes imho

[rolleitreks]

38. Not that you're wrong, but the style is the greatest blow to your credibility since Fitzmas. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

43. I'll just have to suffer through your disapproval

And I'm Biblically knowing your chicadee at this exact moment.

Good beak.

[rolleitreks]

75. Another crank whose abilities do not support his inflated ego. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

76. And thanks for kicking my thread.

I win. T'was ever thus.

:P

[rolleitreks]

81. Tell me again about the indictments, Lenny -- I mean Pitty . . . n/t

[WilliamPitt]

138. Feel better?

Good.

Me too.

Now what?

[Divine Discontent]

156. well....

at least they seemed to admit that you had a reputation to take a hit, so, I guess that's some attempt at putting you on a pedestal. I think their comical attempt at trying to rip on you is quite hilarious, actually. I mean, really, what's the basis for it? And, surely they can do better than the little jabs they've come out swinging with?

The only thing I've noticed in some of your posts that you've seemed to put a hurtin' on - is a bottle of liquor! What's so wrong with that! :rofl:



OBAMA/EDWARDS 08 (fingers crossed)!

[11 Bravo]

309. Now the newbie runs home and tries to score sloppy seconds from his chickadee!

[lame54]

401. self delete.

lame is going to kill me forgot to check who name was logged on.

[unapatriciated]

406. Hey....

I'm a newbie and I don't take sloppy seconds except when voting in the November Election. :shrug:

What can I say I still love John, but will have no trouble voting Obama or Clinton in November...just wish you guys would stop all the hate already.


damn I need too make sure I'm logged in and not lame before I post...think we need two computers.x(

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

333. Roll over, light a cigarette...

And grope for the remote control? It works after other stuff. ;-)

[ourbluenation]

104. "the greatest blow". what a drama queen. this place cracks me up sometimes.

well done pitt - you said exactly what i've been thinking. they're cutting off their noses, etc...

[Midlodemocrat]

172. Oh, FFS.

:eyes:

[stevenleser]

271. WTF made it imperative for you to bring that up?

What a POS thing to do

[sniffa]

308. Interesting

I'm curious to which banned member you are. :think:

[democrat2thecore]

403. I agree - immature style that ruins the message - nt

[WilliamPitt]

416. Good thing this was just another DU thread, then.

Rather than a "message."

Message of what? I have a thing for birds and for going Tyler Durden on myself?

Style? Hee.

Yep, just what I was aiming for.

:eyes: :rofl:

[fight4my3sons]

39. damn right!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

40. So....Does that include Ron Paul?

:rofl:

[CarbonDate]

41. FUCK YO' COUCH!

Yeah, there's sore losers, and then there's just stupid.

[racaulk]

88. ROFL

Off topic, but that was the best Chappelle Show skit ever!!! :rofl:

[Chovexani]

257. DARKNESSES

Oh god now I'm picturing Will Pitt in the Rick James wig stomping on McCain's couch.

I HATE MY BRAIN.

[racaulk]

300. WHAT DID THE FIVE FANGERS SAY TO THE FACE?

SLAP!!!



:rofl:

OMG, that episode was so hysterical!!! That was hands down my favorite episode...but the "Prince" episode was a close second! You know, it's really a shame what happened with Chappelle and his show. For a while, that was the best show on TV!

[Autumn]

42. Thank you

that was damn near orgasmic. Proud to recommend,

[NanBo]

44. k&R

Thanks for adding your voice of reason.

[JVS]

45. Burn their houses down!

I would have thought that people uttering such a thing would be TSed.

[leftofcool]

46. This must be the Unity and coming together

that Obama has been talking about.

Left of Cool

[SammyWinstonJack]

145. It's a Miracle!

:evilgrin:

[mtnsnake]

47. Where where you the 1000's of times when DU'ers said they would not vote for Hillary?

Saying they wouldn't vote for Hillary, should she win the nod, is the same thing as saying they wish the GOP would win.

Surely, all those hundreds of DU'ers who stated thousands of time on this board that they wouldn't vote for Hillary are smart enough to realize that, in essence, they are choosing a GOP victory over a Hillary presidency by abandoning her, should she become the Democratic nominee.

The "refusal to vote for Hillary" sentiment has been clearly expressed on the Democratic Underground for at least two years. Where was your outrage then?

[grace0418]

55. Nobody on DU should be claiming they won't vote for the Dem nominee, no

matter who that is. But there is a bit of a difference between not voting and actually wishing McCain wins in November. Maybe the outcome is the same, but the sentiment is quite different. And for the record, I *will* vote for Hillary if I must.

[mtnsnake]

67. Look, I agree with the OP, & I didn't see who said they wished McCain wins, but

to me it's like selective criticism by lots of posters here on DU who have didn't seem to mind when so many others were boasting how they'd never vote for Hillary, should she be our nominee. Shouldn't the set of priorities which guide us now have been the same for when so many were bragging how they'd never vote for a Democratic candidate named Hillary? I would love to have seen more outrage just like this, only a year or so ago as well.

[hfojvt]

231. you must have a selective blind spot then

because there have been "you MUST vote for the Dem nominee" posts here almost weekly or more, and many of those were responding to an "I won't vote for Hillary" sentiment back in December or January when she seemed inevitable.

Also, as I never tire of pointing out, there are many places, such as Massachusetts, Illinois, and Kansas, where a DU can write in the name of The Pied Piper and it would not make a TANJ bit of difference because the Dem nominee is gonna win the first three states and the Repub win the last one, no matter how the entire DU membership in that state votes. So an "I won't do that" does not mean the same as "I hope McCain wins". Not if you know the territory.

[formernaderite]

56. I've noticed people saying they'll "write" in

Hillary regardless if Obama wins the nomination. I say that's the same as voting for McCain.

[LowerManhattanite]

58. The OP was referring to another commenter's quote...

...that went as follows-(said comment has since been deleted,but the author NOt tombstoned because of longtime status here)

“The dems who support Obama are fools and I swear it is my great hope that McCain wins the election...truly I do not care if he appoints judges that wreck the constitution.”

Said person came out and openly CHEERED FOR A GOP VICTORY and capped it off with an okay of generations and constitution wrecking court stacking.

He didn't just say “I'm not voting for Sen. Clinton—he actually said that he hopes the Dems lose and could care less about the courts and constitution beng wrecked.

One thing (the “I won't vote for X person) is a slap in the face. To pine for destruction of the constitution and OPENLY cheer on GOP victory? That's a kick in the nuts.

It was a batshit post—since poofed away by the mods, but similar sentiments from many posters, and NOT JUST ON OBAMA'S SIDE (DU rules forbid my calling them out, but you all know them—some call themselves “news writers”, or take on pejorative names for Muslims as a handle, etc.)

Venom is not limited to one species of snake. But it's venom just the same.

[Major Hogwash]

59. I don't remember seeing a lot of people say that they would not vote for Hill 2 years ago.

But, the facts are in about her positions on the issues now and there is no excuse for anyone to support a warmonger like McCain at DU.

I think Will is fairly liberal and I am pretty liberal and I don't even want to read about someone supporting McCain here.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

86. There's a Giant Thread saying of people proudly saying they won't vote

for Obama. The Clinton supporters are not the victims and neither are the Obama supporters. They booth have some kooks in the group. It's like a bad football (soccer) riot.

Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4763678&mesg_id=4763678

[Marrah_G]

432. Glancing through the thread there were only a few who said they wouldn't vote for him.

Most of the thread was people telling them they are stupid assholes (to paraphrase)

[Labors of Hercules]

48. Damn, that was so good I need a cigarette...

And I quit smoking 6 months ago. :smoke:

[shadowknows69]

49. Thank you Will

[alphafemale]

50. People here saying they hope McCain will win is the act of an immature little punk.

They are like a self-important brat sticking out their tongue and picking up their ball and stomping off home if everyone doesn't play the game by made-up rules so the brat would win.

Grab hold of a snarky little brat's tongue and give them a little pop under the chin and I guarantee you they will never stick out their tongue again.


At least not at you. :D

[longship]

51. After all this *is* the DEMOCRATIC Underground

Not the "Feckless, Braindead, Lunatic, Repubican-loving Underground"

BTW, great rant. And.... Recommended and :kick:ed.

[BrklynLiberal]

52. Yup. Yeah. Uh-huh!! Oui. Si. Da. and any other way one can say yessiree!!!

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/vwt.jpg

[Dr.Phool]

53. Now, how do you really feel, Will?

:rofl:

And I've got an extra lighter if you need it.

[MaineDem]

54. You've written what I've been thinking.

Thank you.

[iconoclastic cat]

57. Actually, doesn't it seem a little saner around here lately? nt

[MissMillie]

60. please, don't hold back.

tell us how you really feel....


:loveya:

and yeah, you're absolutely right.

[Major Hogwash]

61. And no Nader bullshit either!

We need to play this round straight up, no 1-eyed Jacks allowed.

[polmaven]

205. You got THAT right!

There are several DUers that will, I'm quite sure, start coming out in favor of the Nader "campaign".

They were here 4 years ago and they will be here now.

While Nader has every right to run, his reason for running, and his credibility are in the toilet.

With Ralphy, it is increasingly obvious it is all about Ralphy.

[tandot]

62. A DUer who wants McCain to win should be immediately TSed.

K & R

[treehuggnlibrul]

63. K&R

Thanks.

Been lurking here a long time and reading several times a day. Enough is enough. I've been waiting for someone to say, "If I have to stop this car..." because I feel like I'm in station wagon on a 3000 mile ride with 2 screaming 7 year olds.

[Johnny Noshoes]

363. Ain't that the truth.

I was going to start a thread with the line "If I have to stop this car..." but figured why bother the "kids" won't listen anyway.

[RichardRay]

64. But Will, it's not the chickadee's fault...

...aside from that, right on.

Unless, of course, the chickadee is just using you as a way to escape its terrible situation.

[lapislzi]

65. WORD. That is all.

[pattmarty]

66. exactly my sentiments. That's why I stay out of these silly........

..... playground fights about Hillary and Obama. People need to hold their anger for November.

[pipi_k]

110. Raising a timid hand and saying

"me too".

I've been lurking on these boards for a while and only have a (very small) handful of posts to my credit. Mostly I just read and ponder...and what I come away with lately are a lot of questions about how things were here during the 2000 election...and the 2004 election.

Were people going after each others' (Democratic) candidates with such fervor and (seeming) bloodlust? My god, the anger...the vile accusations people throw at each other....you people belong to the same party???? Couldn't prove it by me...

So how were things here during those days? The same? Did people trash each others' choice of candidate, then when election day rolled around, stay home and POUT because "their guy" wasn't on the ballot? "My choice isn't there, so I'm not gonna vote...nyah nyah...take that!" Voter disenfranchisement aside, is that a pretty good take on what happened and why we got stuck with George "The Idiot" Bush?

After all is said and done here and one candidate gets the nomination, are the people who supported the other one going to step up and be mature enough to choose Party over their own egos (thank you Nance Greggs for a wonderful article some weeks back in which you asked that very same question)?

I personally don't think any of the three major candidates are special enough to write home about...my own inclination as to which one I'd actually vote for (and yes, it's a Democrat) isn't important. But even though I don't care for the other one, if that's the way things go, then yes....I will vote for that person.

Because I don't want four more years of a batshit crazy Republican in the White House.

OK...back to lurk mode...

Pipi K

[WilliamPitt]

133. Personally, I think it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse in '03-'04 around here.

Dean went down, war heating up, Kerry voted 'Aye' on the IWR and couldn't talk his way effectively through that thicket for love or money, Rove telling all GOPers to "run on the war" even as they are getting - and I mean boy howdy getting, lung ailments from volunteering in an ocean of burnt plastics and Carter-era soot, five hundred million billion gazillion broken flourescent lights and all that gas, but medical doesn't cover it because they volunteered. And some people really thought Rudy had a chance to take back NY State.

It is to laugh.

Oh, P.S. The radios didn't work on the one day it would have helped the most. Rudy took a low bid nobody contract for the radios, and they may as well have been hatpins for all the good they did. That was a lot of people who got killed because their radios weren't good enough to catch the "Fall back!" signal.

GOP. They care about YOU.

;) :puke:

[NewJeffCT]

219. Agree - I think it was worse in 2004

I joined DU in October of 2003 and thought it was relatively decent through the first few months (I had never even posted in the Lounge...)

However, as soon as the Iowa caucus happened, it got ugly.

[pattmarty]

157. here, here!!!! That's why I posted my original comment. I will .....

..... support WHOEVER the nominee is.

[NC_Nurse]

322. Welcome to DU!!!

Glad you got up the nerve to post. It's been pretty hellish around here lately. It was
bad in 2004, but I don't think it was THIS bad. It'll get better after we get a nominee. The people
who are to foolish to see that BOTH of our candidates are WAY better than anything out there will be TS'd
or leave on their own and we will unify. :toast:

[DS1]

68. You know where I live?

:rofl:


Agree on sentiment, at the very least.

[NM Independent]

69. I've posted this reply elswhere, but it fits very well here...

That's okay. You Hillbot dipshits go throw your fits and sit out the next election, or vote for McCain. Just know I'll be hoping for your slow death for the TREASON that sitting out the next election represents. That is assuming you KNOW what the hell is going on in the world and your not a conservative nutjob, if so then sitting out the election is definite TREASON. So, let's stop saying your going to commit TREASON by sitting out the election...when you know how bad we're screwed if you don't. Anything but a landslide will be overturned by DieBold. WAKE UP!!

You want to know why Hillary CAN'T become your super special first woman president? She isn't good enough. Too many women realize that having a GOOD first woman president is more important that having it right this second. Cut it out with this give to me now entitlement BS and look at the big picture.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

196. I've posted this reply elswhere, but it fits very well here...

Really?
In what way?

[polmaven]

206. And, If Hillary should win the nomination,

will you vote for her?

[NM Independent]

216. I hate her with every ounce of my being...

...I hate her almost as much as I hate most of the neocons because she acts and votes like one.

However, YES I would vote for her to keep McCain out of the Oval Office. I know what will happen if a Dem doesn't walk through that door.

[October]

281. Obama and Hillary's votes are quite similar

So...not sure who/what your hate is all about.

Voting for the nominee. I can hold my nose. What I can't do is stomach the idea of McCain pulling ahead because the Dems are so busy hating on each other.

How stupid we look.

[NM Independent]

405. Your point only goes so far...

...since Obama has only been a Senator since '06, and Hillary had plenty of time before that to vote for the Iraq war, cluster bombing civilians, and plenty of other neocon enabling BS.

[demodonkey]

70. K & R and Nominate Will for...

...the most vivid and colorful use of the English language on DU in a long time.

And yes -- THE SUPREME COURT MATTERS. CHOICE MATTERS. A lot of things matter.

And please everyone -- as I keep saying over and over and over -- BEWARE THE VOTING MACHINES, deceptive practices, and other techniques that will disenfranchise many.

Support the Election Integrity group of your choice, especially the state and local ones who are on the ground and struggling to do what we can to protect the election as best we can.

Do this NOW, not next December when it is too late.

[anamandujano]

71. There a "hide thread" feature, fyi. Also, cut down on the caffeine.

[LynneSin]

193. Why the hell should we, members of the DEMOCRATIC underground hide threads that...

Support John McCain in office
Support any third party candidate like Nader, Paul, Bloomberg, my mother or anyone else who wants to run 3rd party
Suggests that there is no diffence between our candidate and any candidate of any other party out there including the Republican party.

This is not any of the following:
"I'm ok with Republicans like McCain in the White House Underground"
"Ralph Nader is ok with me Underground"
"My conscious is more important that our Supreme Court, the War and a woman's right to choose Underground"

Why should I hide threads - the rules are very specific about this stuff ESPECIALLY after the primaries are decided. These threads should be locked and repetitive instigators starting these threads should be dealt with.

[MADem]

263. Just hit alert and they will disappear. That bit about candidate support is in the rules.

The purpose of this site is to support DEM candidates for office.

GOP and Third Party supporters are invited to use some other bastard's bandwidth.

It's quite plain, and there is no wiggle room, UNLESS a Dem is not running (Bernie Sanders, e.g.).

Don't hide the threads, alert on them, and they'll go POOF like a fart in a windstorm.

[onehandle]

72. I support the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nominee. nt

[Pryderi]

73. And I thought Hillary supporters were "real democrats"...

[polmaven]

209. Yeah!

They sure aren't like any of the Obam Supporters who say they will NEVER, EVER vot for Hillary under any circumstances.

Those folks are saying that for the GOOD of the Democratic Party....Right?

[Pryderi]

439. If Hillary's the nominee, I'll vote for her.

[Ichingcarpenter]

74. Hey, I'm offended by your language

But you're God damn mutha fucking right on
with your rant.


Most of these people in GDP never contribute to
breaking news or the crimes of the Bush regime in GD anyway.

BTW nominated thread on edit

[BigDDem]

77. Interesting post...

I don't recall that much passion a few months ago when folks were coming her day after day after day saying they'd vote for "ANYONE but Hillary!"
Oh, but I understand that things are different now.....

[emilyg]

175. But that's OK by double standard on DU.

[xmas74]

288. Yes.

Yes it is.

And we as women are expected to hold our noses and take our medicine without any complaints.

[Yellow Horse]

79. PREACH!

K & R

[Meshuga]

80. The sick part is that Gore would be our president

If progressives didn't fall for the "Gore = Bush" rhetoric from Nader and the other protest votes in 2000. Look at the last 8 years and see what that attitude brought us. :-(

We are in danger of falling in to the same trap in 2008. I wish conservatives were not clever enough to the point of casting a protest vote against McCain in November. But unfortunately they are a little smarter in that sense.

[jgraz]

82. Yes, the 90,000 blacks kicked off the voter roles had nothing to do with it

:eyes:

Neither did the fact that we had a nominee who ran away from a president with a 65% approval and who chose a right-wing religious zealot as his running mate.

Of all the things Democrats should be bitching about in 2000, why do we keep focusing on the one thing Democrats did NOT do to themselves?

[Meshuga]

89. Yes, the 90,000 blacks kicked off the voter roles had something to do with it

But Nader and protest votes were factors and it can be a factor this time around.

[jgraz]

90. But we can't do anything about them

We CAN light a fire under the Democrats about election fraud and caging. They're doing it again this year, did you even know that?

[demodonkey]

91. See Post #70

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4775205&mesg_id=4776359

[Meshuga]

92. With a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic congress

We should be able to solve this issue. If it doesn't happen then I would jump on the bandwagon.

[jgraz]

95. We have to get there first.

If you think Obama's going to win by an unstealable margin, ask yourself: do we really know what that margin is? The only reason Repukes didn't steal Congress in 06 is that Foley happened AFTER they had pre-programmed the machines. We have no idea how much Kerry won by in 04 -- some studies are indicating it was a landslide.

All it takes is some bullshit October Surprise to make the poll results seem plausible. Then they can switch as many votes as they want.

[demodonkey]

96. But that's assuming we GET a Dem in the White House & Majority in Congress...

... with these tactics going on, that may well be a big assumption.

Democrats ignore voting machine fraud, voter caging, disenfranchising, etc. AT THE PERIL OF OUR PARTY.

Wake up. Please.

(From one of the nine regional coordinators of the Ohio Recount, who will go to her grave knowing Kerry WON Ohio.)

[juajen]

148. We have been lighting those fires ad nauseum, but, for some reason

which we do not know, congress keeps putting those fires out. They pretend outrage, and some are really fighting, but most pretend and just go right on with the status quo. So, nothing happens and we are just more frustrated. A lot of us do what we can, but have lost our zeal because of the constant downhill battle. Isn't it weird that years after Gore and Kerry, we still have to vote not knowing if our votes are even counting.

[ellisonz]

250. Don't forget the Jews for Buchanan of West Palm Beach.

[stevenleser]

Bill still had a 65% approval rating at the beginning of this nomination race, and how has he done

for Hillary? Looks like Al Gore called that one right.

And that right wing zealot was still popular enough in his own state to survive a major effort to unseat him.

I've called out Lieberman in articles on more than one occasion so dont even think I am the slightest bit supportive of him these days, but he is one of the reasons Florida was as close as it was. Gore doesnt get close in FL without him in 2000

[rpannier]

425. Everywhere that Bill wnet in the final days of the 2000 campaign, turn out was higher than expected

and it went FOR Gore.

[pnwmom]

433. Progressives didn't kick blacks off the voter rolls.

But in 2000, 97,000 progressives voted for Nader in Florida alone, in a race that was decided by less than 600 votes. That's pretty hard to forget -- especially with Ralph Narcissist having just announced yet another run.

[jgraz]

445. Which one can we fix?

We can't keep Ralph Nader from running and we can't keep people from voting for him. But we CAN fight against illegal election fixing. Those 600 votes could just have easily come from the 90,000 people illegally purged from the roles.

It could also have come from a candidate who actually had a strategy for fighting for an election he actually won.

But I guess it's easier to demonize one person than to actually put in the real work to fix our problems.

[Forkboy]

239. What about the thousands of Dems who voted for Bush?

What did they fall for?

[RandomKoolzip]

83. It's spelled "testicle."

[WilliamPitt]

140. Yeah, I know, missed the edit window.

:(

[SKKY]

85. Dude, just quit beating around the bush...

...and get to the point, will ya'??!! :thumbsup:

[asdjrocky]

87. Don't hold back Will, just tell us how you really feel.

[aquarius dawning]

93. I hope McCain wins.

just kidding.

[mtnester]

119. Sick...think about what your joke just did to a poor chickadee

sick


:)

[Name removed]

94. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jgraz]

98. CL Avenger, is that you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7422969&mesg_id=7423118

:eyes:

[orleans]

129. oh god--i remember that thread, and others with that poster.

(drove me CRAZY!)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

97. Yes, you should be the only one allowed to be indignant.

[ClericJohnPreston]

99. I am proud to say

that I have never voted once for a Republican candidate....EVER. In my voting history, that meant I was a winner on the Presidential level, only twice, when Bill Clinton ran.

As a proud Progressive/Populist/Left Wing Dem, I feel the best people for the job have been systematically winnowed out by Corporate politics. Still, better a Corporatist Dem, who may still have a conscience, than a demonic Conservative asshat who has NO conscience.

Finally, I support anyone's right to rant, but I still think your ego and need for being the center of attention, are very unflattering.

"On YOUR watch"..... As my mother used to say, "who died and left you boss?"

[Umbram]

111. Wow, ClericJohnPreston calling someone else an attention monger?

I never thought I'd see the day. Still, it is nice to see you posting a LOT less drivel lately.

[ClericJohnPreston]

301. Wow

Thanks for noticing my posts, though my threads started are few and far between. Then again, four out of nine in my posting history have made the home page.

As for your characterization, one person's drivel is obviously another person's sound reason. To each his own as they say. ;)

[Umbram]

323. I wouldn' be too proud.

Make the following post: "Obama caught killing babies for Satan!!!" and you'd get on the home page.

[ClericJohnPreston]

342. One problem there Umbram

I would never say that. I'm not a sensationalist, Hillbot or Conservotoid.

I am a dyed in the wool ANTI-CORPORATIST, ANTI-CONSERVATIVE, ANTI-THEOCRATIC FUNDIE AND ANTI-LIBERTARIAN, CARD CARRYING LIBERAL LEFT-WINGER. I am against anything which is an enemy of REASON.

I am only lukewarm about Obama due his cozy belief you can make nice with Republicans or Corporations. That is bold-faced deceit, or a dangerous naivete. I fight insurance carriers every day for the weak and disadvantaged , as well as Corporations who profit from human misery. I know they are monsters who must be FOUGHT. They will never willingly relinquish power.

I only hope that Obama is using the camouflage of rhetoric for votes, and will be the fighter we need, if he is our nominee. Sorry to disappoint you where rants are concerned. I reserve mine for righteous indignation.

[WilliamPitt]

162. Pee. Wheaties. You.

Hope your day improves.

:toast:

[ClericJohnPreston]

306. No problemo

Will, it's always a good day around here. I'm so grateful for your reply. It means......so much....:eyes: In fact, I wish you the exact same heartfelt hope. ;)

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

247. Will's mother already sent him to his room

so you don't need to be piling on...

[JuniperLea]

296. And I see you've learned nothing by watching Obama and Clinton...

Say mean things about each other... sad.

Don't envy Will for his popularity. Envy his sophisticated ale palette!

[Laurab]

347. You posting about someone else's ego.

Not THAT's funny!

[guyanakoolaid]

415. actually...

I registered Republican in order to vote in a primary against Rick Perry running as the Republican candidate as governor of Texas. They had to stamp my voter registration card "Republican", and it was one of the most humiliating things ever, but I felt I did the right thing.

[The Traveler]

100. Rant of the Year?

Quite possibly we have seen the high water mark, a new standard of excellence by which all future rants shall be measured. A truly magnificent rant, and one with which I find myself in total agreement.

Still ... I have issues ... and the opportunity to watch while Will "deflower your chicadee, manhandle your couch cushions after eating lye with my bare hands, and make you watch while I sit down in the charred wasteland of your former livingroom and punch myself in the face over and over and over and over and over again, until the chicadee throws in the towel or until you pee your pants and promise never to do it again." ...

Really, you can't possibly expect me to resist the temptation to induce mischief of such a spectacular order ...

McPain/Huckabuddy 08, Will!!!


:popcorn:

[Infinite Hope]

101. Threatening to burn their houses down? It seems like this thread should be locked AND deleted. n/t

[JustDavid]

103. It will be.....

in 24 business hours.

[Pacifist Patriot]

102. Oh come on!

Say it like you really mean it. :)

Will, I am more than a little shocked by your post. It really does not seem like your style and I had to read the user name several times before it sunk in. I understand your frustration and even your anger. But I'm not sure the threats, regardless of being hyperbole or outraged-tongue-in-cheek they might have been meant to be, are all that appropriate. Rather violent and personal. Totally unnecessary since horrific realistic threats abound if the GOP maintains control of the White House.

Cheers!

[LSK]

105. I cannot recommend this enough times

You rule!

[CaseyStorm]

106. WTF?

Tell em like it is! Obama is the future.

[Debi]

107. William Pitt - my hero of the day

:loveya:

*sigh*

[kimmerspixelated]

294. Once again, YOU ROCK!!!

I agree with your rant. Only someone really retarded would post something insane like that, or a troll! But the truth is, not even regular(not totally crazy) rethugs want 100 more years of war!
They all want an honorable exit, but they still want an exit-and that's what OLD man McCain needs to do-EXIT! No worries- Obama is a shoe in, and if not then it will definitely have been stolen and then after this happens-THRICE-THRICE!!!!! ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE UPON THE STREETS!!!!!...Frankly the poster is probably some guy who gets his jollies getting a rise out of people, cuz he probably lost the ability to get a rise between his legs! What can you do with a little pink eraser anyway?

[bpeale]

108. you need to take your medication ... NOW!

[Bluerthanblue]

109. thanks Will, you actually made me laugh

at a GDP post today-

Which is no small feat.

I finally committed to voting for Hillary if I have to- in a couple of replies yesterday. I was beginning to realize that if I didn't give my word to do so, with the way her campaign is going, it would easily become impossible to do that NOW.

I will stand by my word now that I have committed, but I will also do everything in my power to ensure that we don't end up in that situation this fall.


People say many things in anger and frustration that they later regret. Self control is an important quality for a leader to have. Obama seems to understand that- I'd like to follow his lead- :P

Thanks for your post-

peace~

[milkyway]

113. People forget that if a Dem wins in November, it's the entire Dem party that takes control, not just

one candidate. I tell my teenage kids that the economy is going to get really bad for the next year or two, but once we get a Dem president with Dem economists throughout the executive branch things will get turned around. Whether it's Obama or Clinton, we will be replacing hundreds, if not thousands, of republican cronies, hacks and fuckups with Dems that are far superior, and much better for the average American. And both Obama and Clinton will be choosing from basically the same talent pool.

You can talk about how the Dems are too beholden to corporate interests, too compromising, but the truly delusional ones are those that don't see the difference between a Dem executive branch and a republican executive branch. Out with the republicans and in with the Democrats.

[Old Smokey]

114. Awesome Rant

[unpossibles]

115. is there an election coming up or something? Why didn't anyone mention it?!?

I keed, I keed!

The Scotus and the veto-lock on Congress have been my main arguments since day one of why I will proudly support any of the Democratic candidates running, whether they are my first or last choice.

I mean come on! McCain!?!? Is someone taking Ann Coulter seriously or something? Really? It's like saying, "the nominee is too conservative so I am going to vote for someone even more conservative!"

It's like one step above (or below maybe) supporting Ron Paul, and several below supporting puppy rape. Morans unite! Then please find the nearest exit....

[dbackjon]

116. A-fucking-men!

Absolutely the best post on DU in months.

[bridgit]

117. I'm sorry that you feel that way. But if you little understand the negative impact...

of two splintered, unsated camps within two campaigns; some being allowed to slap the other's cyber-face, piss on the other's shoes, shit in other's mouths, while suggesting one-such capable of yet another form of high tech lynching, etc, etc, etc, blah-blah-blah, yada-yada-yada, ad nauseum infinati...then how could you have applauded such a process up till now. You, of all people, should have been more concerned all along.

For once I feel like The Oracle of Delphi, up against these ever-most sage, pompous political wonks & word-smiths here at DU in that this shit is not complicated. It's right off a junior high school playground if that...though as for this: "I know where you live."

Fucking go for it :rofl: After I drag *you* by the hair kicking & screaming (a girl can have a dream) to Streets of London and straighten your self-actuated-ass out I'll own this place. How bout:

www.BridgitUnderground.com or DemocraticBridgit...maybe that's the wave of this future we see before us :bounce: But then it's all like...

Take a chill pill, Will. It's all Groovy Tuesday. They ain't no thing like a chicken wing. Side's, Grandpa MadDog won't get in even if some assemblage of RW trolls here at DU have got you going for the time being. Not only tain't it funny McGee; it tain't gonna happen period

[mtnester]

118. All your chickadees are ours

Thanks for the perspective and reminder

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

120. Get a load of this shit...

A couple of days ago, somebody was actually arguing that because Obama supporters were not adequately criticizing John McCain's sexism that they would be unable to vote for Obama in the general election.

:spray:

[grantcart]

404. your a sexist

[Name removed]

121. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[peacock]

122. Thank you William Pitt!

That needed saying.

[Dollface]

123. Well finally, something that made me login again. Thank you WP

[Mad_Dem_X]

124. W00t! Best. Post. Ever.

:yourock: :applause: :patriot:

[RiverStone]

125. right on bro!

And I was one of many that alerted the mods to the assbag troll who made that McLame comment.

Damn good post with a big K&R!

[npincus]

126. Feel better now?

You're right; this crap has gotten way out of hand. But, I'll bet these people are just talking shit.... when their meds kick in they'll remember they're Dems first.

[NikolaC]

127. AMEN

The fact is that having McCain in office means a continuation of the misery that America, Iraq and Afghanistan has had to endure over the last few years. Lets also not forget the Supreme Court and what is likely to be more on the bench like Scalia, Alito, Roberts, Kennedy and Thomas. Looking forward to that idiots who are threatening to vote for McCain? Plus he is completely nuts. I am sick of the fighting and hatred between the supporters of both camps. However, no matter how any of us may feel about the current two front-runners, voting for McCain should not be an option. That, in my opinion, is just crazy talk. Hell, write in a Dem who you feel should win if it bothers you so much if Hillary or Barack wins the Dem nom and it offends your tender sensibilities. But Jeez, NOT MCCAIN DAMNIT.

[fascisthunter]

128. wuh happened?

[orleans]

130. IBTL n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

131. Not to worry, though . . .

McVain is not a viable candidate anyway. Obama will mop the floor with his raggedy ass using his Vicki-wood for a handle.

[Dollface]

136. From your lips to some undefined supreme being's ear, if they have ears, and well, exist.

Some days I am so superstitious. Knock on wood.

[PleadTheFirst]

134. If there was ever a time I wished I could Rec a thread more than once ...

Who ever thought an over-the-top rant about deflowering chicadees could stand out as the voice of reason? But in the scorched-earth landscape that is DU's GD: P that is exactly what this is.

Spot-on, Will. :yourock:

[smoogatz]

135. Bravo!

My sediments exactly.

[datadiva]

141. Holy Cow!

You just said what most of us want to say, only much more eloquently. Thank You. :bounce: :toast:

[reggie the dog]

187. burning someones house down is eloquent?

What if someone dies???

[WilliamPitt]

190. Ah.

Irony.

Won't someone please think of the chickadees??!!

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

213. "I'm going to find where you live and burn your house down, you fucking piece of shit."

- Dr. Gonzo, Attorney-at-Law, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas."

[against all enemies]

142. Now that's a fucking response. How about a link please so we

show some support - to you.

[drm604]

144. K&R

Thank you for saying this!

[LizW]

146. William, you've forgotten 2004

Don't you remember your famous "schadenfreude" post at the height of the Dean movement in 2004? You came perilously close to saying you hoped Dean lost the general election and that you would laugh at all us Deanies if he did.

Papa, don't preach.

[MagsDem]

150. LOL -- but, but, but... that was different!

[WilliamPitt]

166. Live and learn

I think that was also the period of time in which I did a lot of tall apologizing for my conduct.

[LizW]

223. You did. Didn't we all?

God willing, the time will come again when we are all apologizing to each other.

[TomClash]

147. In many ways McCain is worse than Bush

Masking the "straight talk" and "reform" efforts is a messianic complex that could lead us right into some nuclear Armageddon. Thank you, no, because if there is a nuclear attack I'd say I'm pretty much a goner here in lower Manhattan. And I'm not too keen on seeing my fellow citizens of the erstwhile Republic perish either - no matter where they live. So even if Hillocopter wins, I'll be voting Dem in November.

[Baby Snooks]

149. As a recovering Republican...

As a recovering Republican who isn't sure I will ever really be a Democrat but am sure it will be a very cold day in hell before I vote for a Republican again I must say that if a Republican were ever to tempt me, John McCain would not be that Republican. And if I were a Democrat, I would be highly offended by someone saying they would vote for him. There are Republicans who are offended by Republicans saying they will vote for him. That should tell you something about John McCain.

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, either hold your nose and vote for her, don't vote for anyone, or waste your vote on Nader. But please, please, please do not GIVE your vote to John McCain.

[sandyj999]

151. Well Done and Long Overdue! Thanks! n/t

[David Zephyr]

152. Er...that's our cousin Billy Pitt down from the attic where we actually let him keep the bodies.

That really needed to be said for a very long, long time.

As always, no one can put it down like Mr. Pitt.

It's good to see you back. It isn't the same without you.

:applause:

[1awake]

153. shhhh.. come 'ere

if I pay ya.. will you burn my credit for me!?! After the divorce.. thats all mine is good for these days. ;)

[x-g.o.p.er]

154. WIll, quit beating around the bush...

Let us know how you feel. If you keep things pent up inside, you'll give yourself an ulcer.

Great post. Well said. Exept for maybe burning the house down.

I'll leave that to The Talking Heads:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=st1lH8zcIuQ

And I promise, no "Rick Roll'd".

[JackDragna]

155. I'm half-tempted to take you up on your offer..

..even though I consider McCain unfit to lead ants to a picnic. I'm getting tired of your constant self-promotion and chest-beating on this board, as are many others. You, sir, win the official Internet Tough Guy award!

[Harry Monroe]

158. Whoa, dude. Take your meds today??

But seriously, I do agree with your sentiments here. United we stand, divided we fall. Those miniscule percentile here who want to vote for McCain are selfish, self serving pricks anyway. I believe we can win in November once we unite behind the eventual Democratic candidate. Keep up the good fight Will Pitt. Things WILL get better with a Democrat in the WH. I can't see how they can be any worse; Hope your weren't serious about the arson, however.

Peace.

[Vektor]

159. I think I just crapped my pants a little.

Because this was that funny.

:thumbsup:

Kicking and recommending heartily.

[rateyes]

160. Pissed off?

Gotta say that I'll vote the Dem nominee, but I don't agree with you that "things will get better" anytime soon after a Democratic president takes office. Especially if we keep electing fucking bluedogs and DLC types to Congress.

We don't just need a change in the party that occupies the White House. We need a change in how Congress does its business. We've had a Democratic majority in Congress, and the first day Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid castrated themselves.

No balls. I'd like to see this kind of anger from you and others at the fact that our Democratic leadership have thus far failed to protect the Constitution from being trampled upon by Bushco. They continue to do it with impunity.

I guess we all have our priorities.

[Divine Discontent]

161. how could ANY liberal/progressive even THINK of a life with

McStain as pResident, and watching him sitting in the oval office tapping on his desk to his hit tune, "bomb bomb bomb... bomb bomb Iran!"

good call by Will to call out anyone who would back the rethugs.

[Mrspeeker]

163. Choice matters

yes it really does, but because of the control of a few like the World Banks down to the NeoCons, there really is no choice because the election is not and election its and appointment by the top elites of the world, behind closed doors and then a show that follows to make it all seem legit. Take for instance this election, I said 3 years ago that McCain would win, WHY? because he signed on to the NeoCons pledge when he signed on to the PNAC, they are the elite group controlling the government right now. This ones even better than BUSH VS KERRY because you have a Black Mand and woman running a rigged race against the GOP. The media can simply sum it up with the "The country is not ready for a Black man or Women" FUCKIN GREAT!!!

Oh and boy I wish I was wrong, but havent been since Bush senior lost to Clinton, that was a hard one to call specially with Rose in there.

[bdamomma]

164. Amen

[reggie the dog]

165. I have a problem with what you said

"
If I see another poster in this godforsaken testical-kick of a forum say they hope the GOP wins the White House in November, I will personally burn your fucking house down, drive your car into the nearest available bridge strut, ruin your credit, deflower your chicadee, manhandle your couch cushions after eating lye with my bare hands, and make you watch while I sit down in the charred wasteland of your former livingroom and punch myself in the face over and over and over and over and over again, until the chicadee throws in the towel or until you pee your pants and promise never to do it again."

You cannot be serious. Do you really mean to burn down the houses of fellow Americans just because they vote differently than you?

I don't think that is what you mean, but you give a quote that can easily be used against Democrats. Why not just simply say you think that they are wrong and that a GOP win will be terrible for the USA?

and this gem "
Oh, and FUCK YOURSELF to boot. Yes, you. You're thinking about daring me on this. Don't. I know where you live."

what are you doing, tracking us????

Sorry, but I have family members that will vote for McCain and I would never consider burning their house down. You seem to be calling for civil war.

I do not want to see the GOP win, but damn dude, what do you want a civil war???

[WilliamPitt]

168. Ah.

Irony.

[rateyes]

170. You know Will, back when Conyers & Pelosi were folding

like tents on contempt charges, and Congress was passing FISA, and Leahy was talking big about not allowing hearings on Mukasey until he received subpoenaed materials (only, again, to fold like a tent--and, he still hasn't brought contempt charges to the floor of the Senate on Rove), and Congress passing war funding without strings attached, etc.---your mantra was "I'll stick with the Dems." (I remember that thread well)

You seem to think that all our problems will be solved with a Democratic President and Democratic Congress. Guess what. They.won't.

Electing Democrats should be a means to an end. You seem to make it an end in an of itself.

I really do wish you would get worked up as much about the erosion of our civil liberties and the Democratic leadership's refusal, for lack of courage, to do anything about it. You express yourself very well in a variety of ways. But, in my opinion, get your panties in a wad over the wrong things. You major on the minors, and minor on the majors.

Just my opinion. Like assholes, we all have one.

[WilliamPitt]

178. "You seem to think that all our problems will be solved with a Democratic President etc."

Yeah. Got me cold there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4775066&mesg_id=4775066

Read the bad news last.

But you know this already.

Keep squinting your way around the bigger picture and the potential for actually doing a little good for people here and there.

The perfect is the enemy of the good, and your ideals - while laudable and ones I proudly share - aren't the kind of things you can feed to a hungry infant when the shelter soupline dries up.

It is what it is. We didn't invent this shit; 99% of what's gone wrong stems from decisions made 60, 70, 100 years ago. But we gotta play the cards we were dealt.

Winning works.

[rateyes]

200. And, keeping the same Democratic leadership in Congress

we now have will do nothing for that hungry infant, either. In fact, it will continue to cause more and more hungry infants (and dead ones) in places like Iraq and Darfur, et al. It will keep shipping our jobs overseas as we cut more deals like NAFTA, etc...which means more hungry infants, etc.

Winning elections are fine and good. But, it's what you do after you win that matters. And, right now, our Democratic leadership is doing squat, and not making anything better.

Winning works, yes. But, for whom?

[WilliamPitt]

202. What's your alternative?

Note: this plan must be able to operate in reality with, like, gravity and consequences and stuff.

We can complain. Or we can keep winning eletions and passing better initiatives and bringing the public to our side slowly but surely, just the way actual change has always come to pass.

Slowly. Working with whatever shithole situation that defines reality. Can't eat good intentions.

[rateyes]

207. Change the leadership.

Put people with real cajones in charge--people who will not back down from the fight that needs to be.

I agree with what you said about those who would "hope McCain wins." It is fucking easy to rant and rave against a fellow voter for making a stupid comment about hoping McCain wins. But, it amazes me that it is THIS that brings out the rant in you, while all the other stuff gets nothing from you but, "I'll stick with the Dems."

We won in 2006. What has changed? Answer: NOTHING. We Democrats deserve and should demand better from those we put in leadership positions. And, if we don't get what we demand, we should fucking replace them with people who will get results.

Pelosi and Reid need to go back to being followers. They are piss-poor leaders.

[2rth2pwr]

167. Now there is some hope I can believe in.

Why don't you start with the eating of lye and punching yourself in the face? I'll let you know if I need to pee.

The mind of someone who thinks that raping animals is an outcome of some temper tantrum is not worth listening to. (must be one hell of a tiny dick)

[Iris]

171. And one of his VP possibilites is Sonny "Let's Market Fishing During a Drought" Perdue - Gov of GA

He's such a buffoon, he makes George W. Bush look downright polished.

[geardaddy]

174. K & R'd!

:kick:

[Thrill]

176. This is why Repukes win Presidential Elections

They stick together. Democrats don't. Its simple

[Taverner]

177. Amen Brotha!

A big pint o'90 Minute IPA to ya my friend!

:toast:

[BonnieJW]

179. What he said.

I find it amazing that in this haven for all the bruised Dems, where we limped after the 2004 sham of an election, HERE there are people saying or even hinting that they will vote for a fascist repub if they don't get their way. What happened? Even if you are frustrated, don't even THINK it because NOTHING could be as bad as another repub in the White House. They are all monsters, with very few exceptions.

[NastyRiffraff]

180. Over the top in language, but good one in principle

I've been appalled at the petulant, childish, temper tampers thrown by some people on these boards who say if my candidate doesn't win the primary I'll a) sit out the election; b) write in my candidate; c) vote for Nader. Thank god I didn't see the one about McCain.

Have we all forgotten 2000? People actually believing that there was NO DIFFERENCE between Gore and Bush? How did THAT work out?

Frankly, the probable nominee isn't my favorite...far from it. I don't even LIKE him. But I'll vote for him (and hold his feet to the fire afterwards). That choice, to me is less than ideal, but the alternative is unthinkable.

[peace frog]

181. You're preaching to the choir, Brother Will

Go tell it on the mountain. :kick:

[FrenchieCat]

182. PM me Will......

cause I'll be right there with ya! ;)

[marmar]

183. Thank you Will....I rarely visit this manure pile of a forum but this post is worth it.

:thumbsup:

[Rhiannon12866]

184. K&R. But why would anybody say that here?!

They obviously found the wrong board, or they're close relatives of John McCain...:crazy:

[avrdream]

266. Early in primary season, many Obama supporters said similar.

Now, many Clinton supporters don't want to vote for BO. I would NOT, however, vote for McCain.

[Rhiannon12866]

321. I agree. During the 2004 primaries, a few of the Dean supporters posted that they were

going to vote for Bush*, if Dean didn't get the nomination. That bothered me, just as this does, but it's always a little nutty here during the primary season. Let's hope that we can all come together in support once we have a nominee. I'm a Kucinich and Edwards supporter, but I'll support and vote for whomever that is...:kick:

[HuffleClaw]

185. "deflower your chicadee" ????

ok, burn the guy's house to the ground if you must but i see no reason for avian abuse.

[LynneSin]

188. But Will - how do you really feel about this

:hide:

[LSK]

227. I think its secret code for support of the Delaware Tollbooth Authority

- Your favorite tool

[maximusveritas]

189. Don't let the trolls get to you

The vast majority of them are just trolls trying to stir things up and discourage Democrats. This place is crawling with them. The way I see it, even the few of them who are for real represent a tiny, tiny fraction of the voting public. They are irrelevant.

[Whisp]

191. I will personally burn your fucking house down???? ouch.

yours is an interesting and entertaining read for the most part, but this kind of talk is borderline insanity.

[WilliamPitt]

194. Yup

Won't someone please think of the chickadees??!!

;)

Easy solution. Don't speak in favor of a McCain victory in November. No birds are harmed, all houses are standing, and there's peace in the realm.

:P

[Whisp]

199. heh. I guess you're one of those 'wild & crazy' guys. n/t

[Mira]

192. Best. Rant. EVER N/T

[the other one]

195. I don't hope it. But it will happen. Congrats to McCain.

Hell no I don't want it to happen. America does not deserve what will happen if McCain is elected. OTOH, the Democratics have done everything in their power to offer up a sure loser candidate. Conceptually, the Democratics deserve to lose. The one doesn't have anything to do with the other. My fears are not my hopes.

The Rapeublics had no trouble beating a strong candidate in Kerry with a proven fuck-up in Bush. They will have no trouble whatsoever doing the same to either of the two Dems. Although I swear I wish it doesn't come to pass, I am quite sure that W is right: McCain will be president, and the GOoP will retake both houses of congress.

[WilliamPitt]

197. Wanna bet?

$100 donation to DU in the name of whomever you wish.

McCain will be president, and the GOoP will retake both houses of congress.

My ass.

A hundred bucks says you're comprehensively wrong.

[Duval]

351. Bill, I love you, but

will $25.00 help, too? Really, Victor and I are all for what
you say, but $ is hard to give, when facing medical expenses. 
BTW, are you William Rivers Pitt??  If so, you already know of
our devotion!

[WilliamPitt]

408. That's me

:)

And no help needed, just a friendly wager suggestion...which is superfluous to the nth versus med expenses.

:hug:

:toast:

[BlueGirlRedState]

198. I just spent the last 10 minutes of my lunch break

breathlessly scrolling down this thread.

I don't post all that much, but like a moth to a flame, or a rubbernecker on the highway, I cannot pass up the carnage on this forum.

Thanks for a much needed, deep cleansing breath!

[derby378]

201. Will, you're too repressed. You need to say what you feel...

:rofl:

Aside from that, well done. I'll vote for Obama. I'll vote for Clinton. I'll vote for Gravel, if by some cosmic shift in reality he winds up the nominee by default. The long and short of it is that I'm voting Democratic and nothing but.

[chusmeria]

203. hahahahaha

this is awesome and I wholeheartedly agree

[stlsaxman]

204. We are "Tree Stump Dems".

Great rant, Mr. Pitt!

[WilliamPitt]

212. That's just brilliant.

Who's credited for the original quote?

[stlsaxman]

365. Here's the wiki for Yellow Dog Democrat- which i bastardized to "Tree Stump"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

the quote is credited to Theodore Hallam from this debate-

"That suits me," clarioned the interrupter. "My question is this: Didn't you say at the Louisville convention not four weeks ago that if the Democrats of Kentucky, in convention assembled, nominated a yaller dog for governor you would vote for him?"

"I did," said Hallam calmly.

"Well, then," whooped the heckler, eager now to press his seeming advantage, "in the face of that statement, why do you now repudiate the nominee of that convention, the Honorable William Goebel?"

For his part Hallam waited for perfect quiet and at length got it.

"I admit," he stated blandly, "that I said then what I now repeat, namely, that when the Democratic party of Kentucky, in convention assembled, sees fit in its wisdom to nominate a yaller dog for the governorship of this great state, I will support him — but lower than that ye shall not drag me!"

So, ironically, the first known use of “yaller dog” was directly aimed at a Democrat by a Democrat.

Sounds like DU forums have roots going back to Kentucky!?!?!

Feel free to use the graphic any time you like, Mr. Pitt!

[blondeatlast]

211. Don't think I even wnat to know what inspired that rant, but--YEAH. What Will said.

I have an 11 year old son. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE FOR ME--no how, no way.

[puerco-bellies]

214. Nice rant WillP

Umm.. Chickadee!?!?!:rofl:

[RobertSeattle]

215. I'll vote for McCain... If Hillary or Obama change their name to 'McCain' by 11/5...

:evilgrin;

[Pyrzqxgl]

238. I'm all for this Pitt Bull Shit!

I don't think I've ever voted for my first primary choice in November. Not since the first time in
1960, but I've always voted a straight Democratic Ticket and will do it this November.

[Miss Chybil]

220. TTTTTHHHHHAAAAANNNNNKKKKK YYYYYYYOOOOOOUUU!

But, what's a chickadee?

[WilliamPitt]

226. This

...is a chickadee.

Don't make me pet that bird.

;)

[lumpy]

221. Thank you Mr. Pitt.

Hear hear !

[happygoluckytoyou]

222. BACK TO DECAF MY FRIEND....

i voted for edwards....

having said that.... i pledge to support WHOEVER wins...

i'm backing obama right now.... BUT

---------------------------------------ANY DEMOCRAT IS BETTER THAN BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN...
come on now...everybody sing....

[Swamp Rat]

225. Dear Will Pitt:

"The Supreme Court matters." :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Perry Logan]

228. OK, but I still think we should focus our anger on the Republicans.

[Baby Snooks]

261. Wrong focus

Not all Republicans are evil. The party is evil. There are liberal and moderate Republicans. They're not all extra-chromosome conservatives waving their Bibles and their flags. They are not the party. But then Democrats are not the party either, are they? Democrats at least have that advantage over the Republicans. They don't always follow the Pied Piper just because the party tells them to. Republicans used to. That is changing. Not all Republicans support George W. Bush. Not all Democrats support Nancy Pelosi. Not all Republicans support Nancy Pelosi in her position that impeachment is off the table. Some would like to have had it on the table just as much as the Democrats. Some Republicans believe the Bushes should be tried for crimes against humanity. Some don't. Some Democrats don't. In both cases, you have to ask why not? Or to paraphrase Molly Ivins why the HELL not given the HELL they have cast us all into?

Time for the people to stop being just part of a party and try to be just the people. Both parties are disasters for the people because the leadership of both, it seems, only represent the special interest rather than the public interest. All eyes turn, again, to Nancy Pelosi.

Some Republicans are becoming Independent. Some might become Libertarian were it not for Ron Paul and Clarence Thomas. Mainly because of Ron Paul. Some might become Democrats. And the progressive Democrats will rail about the conservative Democrats! But at least they will be part of the process. The extra-chromosome conservatives excluded everyone from the Republican Party except the extra-chromosome conservatives. Which was probably a major mistake.

The reality of what's wrong with the Republican Party is best exemplified by Rick Perry. Good old Governor Good Hair. His hair isn't the only thing about him that's slick. Like so many other extra-chromosome Texas Republicans he was a Democrat before he was a Republican. Want him back? You can have him. Of course you don't want him back. But there are plenty others just like him who are still Democrats. Call them whatever you want. I call them Republicrats. Supporting oligarchy instead of democracy. Thanks, but no thanks.

Some Republicans already vote for Democrats. Some will vote for Obama. None will vote for Hillary. But many of those who won't vote for Hillary also won't vote for McCain. Impasse of the millenium. What to do, what to do.

What will I do if Hillary is the candidate? Probably bitch for a month. Probably swear I will not vote for anyone. Then swear I will vote for Nader. And then probably hold my nose and vote for Hillary. What choice will there be? At no point will I swear I will vote for McCain.

So she's a Republicrat. Better a Republicrat than a Republican who has sworn allegiance to the party instead of to the people. Except for this and that. He is the big kahuna of the flip-flop.

Which is why so many Republicans, liberal, moderate, and even extra-chromosome conservative, don't like him and don't trust him. And won't vote for him. The "RINOS" are really "DINOS" as in DINOSAURS and I truly believe they are about to become extinct. At the polls.

Whatever anyone else does, please do not give your vote to John McCain believing it is making a statement. It is not. It is just one more vote for John McCain.

[valerief]

275. Anyone who isn't officially progressive is a Neanderthal. nt

[bluescribbler]

229. Come on, Will

Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back. It ain't good for you.

Oh, by the way,

:kick: and Recommend.

[lonestarnot]

230. Tell 'em how we really feel W.P.

How's dat Hairy Bastid?

[WilliamPitt]

234. Hairy. Bastidy. The usual.

;)



Standard stuff.

:hug:

[lonestarnot]

241. Ders dat spoiled fat cat!

:hug: dat cat for me!

[FlyingSquirrel]

232. Now if we could only do something about the 40.0000 % of the left-leaning electorate

that doesn't vote.

[WilliamPitt]

237. It was only 20% before your edit.

What changed?

;)

Just funnin' with ya.

:toast:

[FlyingSquirrel]

242. Too early in my morning to calculate things right.

I know you're just funnin' me but I like to get this kind of thing right.

Let's say 200 million eligible just to choose a nice round number.

So if our country is evenly divided, that would mean 100 million left-leaning (including left-leaning independents)

Now if 60% of 200 million had voted, that's 120 million (60 million left-leaning).

So that leaves 40 million left-leaners who didn't vote, which would be 40% (not 20% or 50%) of them.

Hypothetically.

Wonder what the real percentage is.

[WilliamPitt]

253. Take the 50-55% body who'll definitely vote

and call it our 100% pool. 25-30% of that pool is the GOP base, the single most reliable voter bloc in the history of the universe.

Not the general pop, mind you. Broaden it out and they're like 10-12% nationally.

But any GOP nominee who says the right things about Jesus and fetuses will wake up on election day with 25% of the vote guaran-damn-teed. All they need is another 26%.

The disproportionate weight of influence held by the base belies their yarns about being lazy southern caricatures who don't really deign to participate. They participate. By running shit.

But anything above 55% turnout benefits Democrats across the board demographics-wise. New voters, new citizens, probably leery of the whole politics and campaigns culture, but heavily likely to vote "tomorrow" over "Old and stuff stays the same so shut up."

I smell a 60% turnout this year, maybe 65%.

Pathetic, indeed. But hey, when we started out, we had to use unpicked melons as replacements for wheelbarrow wheels. Sometimes, we ate sand.

You ate sand?

We ate sand.

How did you eat sand?

Etc. Sorry, Raising Arizona devotee.

;)

[stlsaxman]

368. "You ate SAND?!?!"

"We ate sand."

:rofl:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

235. please video the chickadee bit. Inquiring minds want to know.

[texastoast]

240. I wish these people would get the hell out of here

I'm with YOU!

[THUNDER HANDS]

243. did I mention those two posters were also Giants fans?

:hide:

[WilliamPitt]

245. Good for them. They earned the right to do some bragging.

Unlike the Jets...

Oooooo.

Yessssssssssssssssss. Football never dies. :)

[THUNDER HANDS]

252. grrrrrrrrrrrr

:mad:

[WilliamPitt]

256. Sorry dude

Best part: if Belichick does go down for that videotaping shit, Mangini'll be next, along with Romeo. If it's all true, they knew about it and utilized it just like Bill. 3+ rudderless calamities writ national, two in the same division?

Carnage on the high seas.

[THUNDER HANDS]

262. it would be worth it

I'd trade Mangini's ouster for Belichik's ouster.

[Ano Genitus]

244. .

[eppur_se_muova]

246. Dude, the McCain/Cheney '08 post was meant to be subversive ...

you knew that, right? :evilgrin:

[f the letter]

249. And another amen. n/t

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

255. Perfect, Will! n/t

[Wayzom]

258. Many..

Of us have moved here from the other side. If you have decided you don't want to be a Democrat anymore, move on. As soon as you make that decision you go from old timer to troll...

[RestoreGore]

260. Then why haven't Bush and his accomplices been impeached yet?

I would NEVER vote for McCain (even though Obama stated he will "work with Republicans",) but really...DO OUR VOTES EVEN COUNT ANYMORE? And where's the beef from those who claim to give a damn about the people and this constitution? After eight long years of waiting to see justice what will we get? Will either Obama or Clinton stand up after taking the oath if DIEBOLD even lets them get that far and call for Bush and Cheney and their accomplices to be arrested and held accountable for their crimes and misdemeanors? Or won't that matter anymore once people get get what they want?

It's all fine and good to get all up in it on a message board when it gets you to the top of rec list, but really... what the hell has been done in the last eight years by Democrats in Congress to make our lives any better and to stand up to these bastards effectively? As someone who believes in Democratic principles and has voted Democratic all my adult life, I have to admit that I am very disappointed with the Democratic leadership in this country, and that includes Clinton and Obama who have been part of that Congress that hasn't had the guts to stand up and do what they swore they would do when they took their oaths.

So the message I am trying to get across is, while I believe that Democrats have much better policies than Republicans, it seems those core policies have been hjacked by them enabling Republicans. The Patriot Act... The Military Commissions Act... The Real id Act... The Homegrown Terrorism Act... signing statements... recess appointments... Democrats including Obama voting FOR BUSH'S cabinet picks... Are you outraged about those votes? I want to vote for Democrats not Republican enablers with Ds next to their names. We had a few running but they got pushed out by the media and the elitists who really run this show. So no, while I would NEVER in a million years vote for McCain because he epitomizes that system... so do corporate Democrats, so don't be surprised to see so many disillusioned Democrats out here as there are who want so desperately to believe it will get better but can't because the reality proves otherwise.

[puebloknot]

278. I share your sentiments here. I'd never vote for McCain...

...but I am much less than thrilled over either Obama or Hillary because they will not support impeachment now, and I think we're smoking something really exotic if we think either of them will do anything in the future to hold the current rogue administration to account. In its fervor to *move on* after each criminal administration finishes its slash and burn policies, our government in its various phases is looking less and less like the America we've all come to know (at least we thought so) and love.

I keep returning to this image: Before healing can take place, the wound must be cleaned.

If we simply try to build a new governing body over the rotting corpse of the current one, we shall not soon see home (with a nod to Captain Kirk)!

I maintain cautious hope because it's about the only thing we have left.

[RestoreGore]

381. Yes, and also this "you are either with us or against us" mentality is wrong

And I don't subscribe to it.

[mzmolly]

264. "I swear it is my great hope tha McCain wins the election"

I hope who ever said that is now a gonner?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

265. Although I agree with your sentiments,

I would rather express them without the four letter words. Perhaps it is a generational thing, or perhaps it is because I was an elementary school teacher. :)

[cindyw]

267. Jesus Christ Will, never seen you like this. Don't let people get to you.

I remember in 2004 when it looked like Dean would not make it and people were saying the same thing, that you said you would support the nominee no matter what. You said you would stick stick a Kerry sign out of the top of your head and march down the street for him just to kick Bush out. That comment of yours has helped me to keep perspective about the stakes in these elections. Remember that people changed their tune then and they will now too. Just wait, have some faith.


:hug:

[Blue_In_AK]

268. There are things that deeply trouble me about both

of these candidates, but I will be voting for one or the other come November, even if I have to cross my fingers and say a prayer as I do so. The alternative is just unthinkable.

[sloppyjoe25s]

269. I'm worried you have trouble telling us how you REALLY feel...

I mean c'mon - try not to hold back on your real feelings ok? ;)

[valerief]

270. LOL! Good rant. Hey, this joint ain't Rethuglican Underground. nt

[VotesForWomen]

272. i like the appeal to rationality. nt

[Historic NY]

273. I agree they should go sign up on freeper central....

I've had enough of the defeatist attitude exhibited by some people here. I have begun to wonder if they really are underground freepers.

[RadiationTherapy]

276. I hate when I care about anything as much as your OP reflects.

Life's too short; don't have an aneurysm...spin in circles...feel nice.

[cornermouse]

277. It's become pretty infested with trolls.

It's hard to come here lately. I hope that when the primaries are over, some of the ugliness will die down.

[ElboRuum]

279. Excellent Post...

A rant for the ages. Well done. On another note:

Holy shit, can someone please get WP some Tylenol?

[DrZeeLit]

280. thank you thank you thank you, a thousand times, thank you

I cannot say that enough either.

Thank you.

Voice of reason, sanity, deliverance, rationality, and REALITY...

THANK YOU, Will Pitt.

[skater314159]

282. A-fucking-men brother!

Preach on!



From Gods' mind to your lips!

[NMMNG]

283. I do not believe this

What maniacs recommended this insane screed? 153 people (and counting) recommended a diatribe in which somebody directly threatened with violence people who don't vote the way they think is "proper"?

What the hell has this forum come to???

[NOLALady]

290. Actually,

he said he didn't care who you voted for.

[NMMNG]

297. You're right. My bad.

He just threatened anybody who holds the "wrong opinion". That makes it all ok. :sarcasm:

[kimmerspixelated]

295. WTF?

[NMMNG]

298. That was my exact reaction when I saw the OP

Then the number of recommendations and, worst of all, the people chiming in to offer their help in harming people who don't toe the line.


:wtf: Is exactly it.

[kimmerspixelated]

302. You're really weird....

[NMMNG]

307. You say that like it's a bad thing.

But then I've had somebody here on DU issue a direct threat within the past 48 hours. Now this. So really I don't consider some anonymous Internet message board person calling me "weird" anything to worry about.

[kimmerspixelated]

310. What is going on that you would be getting threats?

I'm starting to get worried.

[NMMNG]

Expressing opposition to Obama

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

325. She's worried about her house and her birds and her sofa set, apparently,

because it's clear I mean to do everything I say I will. I must be stopped.

Or something.

Boo!

Gotcha. :P

[WritingIsMyReligion]

338. Some people don't understand hyperbole, I guess.

:D

[Jamastiene]

442. Uhm, so you admit you are full of shit? n/t

[LeahD]

413. Do you know the OP isn't by an anonymous poster, and

he has many friends here, thus the recommendations?

Google is your friend.

[NMMNG]

443. I know very well who the OP is

Which is why I'm not a member of his fawning fan club.


Google is your friend.


Why don't you Google "fuckshits, shitdogs, cretins"? You'll find that Google is indeed your friend.

[mcctatas]

446. ...

:spray: I never did get why the OP was like a freaking prom king...sure alot of his posts here and writing elswhere are funny and informative, but so are ALOT of other people. I'm just so freaking happy to know it wasn't just me! :toast:

[NMMNG]

447. Trust me, it's not just you

:hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

350. We appear to be in a minority.

[NMMNG]

356. Indeed

“The man who fights too long against monsters becomes a monster himself”
Friedrich Nietzsche



"It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster."
Voltaire

[WilliamPitt]

360. Awesome.

Never been called a "monster" before.

Now I'm a monster twice in one post, according to two dead guys who can only be quoted out of context...and according to you, of course.

Sweet.

:)

[NMMNG]

364. They apply to all who want to use bullying

and threats of any kind to make people comply with their will in this process. I never thought I'd see that within the Democratic party, but sadly it's par for the course lately. And it makes me sick.

[WilliamPitt]

419. Seriously. Take a breath. Now tell me...

...on a scale of 1 to 10, do you really think I was actually threatening anyone with anything beyond bad comic writing and chickadee slanders.

Damn, folks. Hy - per - bo - le.

That means "Duh." to everyone here.

:eyes:

[NMMNG]

421. Pitt, when you're on a bender like this

I'd put nothing past you.


I'm surprised you haven't started in with "shitdogs, fuckwits and cretins" yet. Or have you forgotten about that?

[WilliamPitt]

436. Obviously you haven't

which is pretty sad.

[NMMNG]

437. Right

When can we expect your "backstory" and apology of sorts?

[donheld]

449. Hopefully never. n/t

[GOPBasher]

284. Tell us how you really feel, Will.

I have a feeling you're sugar-coating and hiding your true feelings. :-)

[ooglymoogly]

286. the well said anger of us all on DU for the fucking mind numbing mindlessness

of the trolls. You go mon.

[Cobalt-60]

287. Well Said

except it's the McBush lover that should get the Knuckle sandwiches.

[Cobalt-60]

289. Well Said

Just save the knuckle sandwiches for the McBush lover.

[anamandujano]

293. Stupid thread, still going strong.

[WilliamPitt]

320. Kick

:P

[durrrty libby]

299. Pop a gourd Macho Man

:eyes:

[Jawja]

303. Tell us how you really, feel, Will.

:hi: :thumbsup:


:dem:

[qwertyMike]

304. Are you off your meds?

Or drunk?

or both?

Mike

[Lasher]

311. I had somethings really nice to say to you on account of this

G0ddam internet has been fucked up all day. Maybe Agent Mike is hard at work.

[Warren DeMontague]

312. You spelled "Testicle" wrong, but other than that, 100% Spot Fucking On, Will.

Frankly, if I was running the place, ever single ass-hat who posted some bullshit garbage about "if ******** wins the nomination, I'm staying home/voting McCain/Voting Nader" would have a tombstone in their profile, but that's just me. Same goes for anyone who posts whiny, stomp-my-feets bullshit about "I refuse to support ******** in the general".

This is, as you say, DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. One of these two fine Senators will be our nominee.

Once we have a nomination, these chuckle-fucks will have to abide by the DU rules, no matter how much they can't stand Primary Candidate A, whose positions are nearly indistinguishable from the Primary Candidate B that they so strongly supported.

Until then, though, I fear this place will continue to smell like low-grade ass.

[ObaMania]

313. Last time I checked..

.. this is America dude.

People are free to voice their opinions. If you're gonna be a member of a forum, you probably need to learn how to deal.

Your rants probably aren't helping the debate much. Go do something constructive.

;)

[Warren DeMontague]

316. Have you read the DU rules, lately?

People are free to say whatever the fuck they want in America, yes indeed. Around here, though, we're expected to support DEMOCRATS, and that includes whichever DEMOCRAT happens to win the Primary process and goes up against John McCain in November.

There's a lot of people here who are going to be in for a bit of a shock once primary season is over, and the mods come in to hose the place down.

[stop the bleeding]

314. I have never.....

manhandle your couch cushions after eating lye with my bare hands

seen cushions used in that manner before - makes me smile

:argh::beer:

good rant

[ClericJohnPreston]

315. AHHHH, finally....

the perfect literary quote to describe your OP, from no less than William Shakespeare:

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Sorry. I had to fucking say that.

[WilliamPitt]

324. Lighted fools, dusky death

Gotta take that shot when you get it.

;)

[ClericJohnPreston]

335. And...

"Words without thoughts never to heaven go". Remember that Will.

As a writer of sorts, you should be accustomed to receiving good and bad reviews. When you write blather, and are called on that, wear the badge proudly.

Remember, "This above all: to thine own self be true."

[WilliamPitt]

341. I had fun writing it, that's for damned sure.

Wasn't really looking to do any rhetorical avionics...the chickadee thing was kind of a dead-bang give-away for that.

To me, anyway.

:)

Dumb is fun sometimes.

[knixphan]

317. Right on.

Like I said two doors down, neither candidate is perfect and neither Barack nor Hill is as progressive as we want 'em to be.

But....remember Dubya. DUBYA!!!

Remember McCain-Keating.

Rove!

Rush. O'Reilly. Coulter. Matthews. Murdoch.

Recognize your enemies, fellow members of the middle class.

Get mad.

Unite.

War is comin'.

[yasmina27]

318. Jesus Christ...

...fucking on a hockey stick!

You go Will! I don't think I've ever responded to one of your posts before, but I always enjoy reading.

Right on, and let's tombstone ANYONE who refuses to vote for OUR candidate in November.

We've got your back in case ANYONE decides to take offense in any kind of personal way. I guarantee you that DU will be here for you in any way necessary, not that you'll need it, 'cause as you said, you'll fucking kick their ass and all the other fun stuff you so creatively mentioned.

You're my hero!

[LeftyMom]

326. Hey, I post stupid shit when I'm drunk too, but damn.

I think it's time to find a meeting.

[GCP]

327. Shagging chickadees huh?

Your own mother saw that post! :thumbsup:

[WilliamPitt]

345. Which is why I used the term "deflower."

My mom's all sensitive and shit.

:P

[Raven]

362. Speak for yourself baby!

[Raven]

361. I damn well did! And I loved it! You gotta know the guy.

[GCP]

370. I do!

And it was the best rant ever - the board badly needed it. :hi:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

329. Ahhh...the warm zephyrs of a Will Pitt Rant...

Wafting over this forum. It's been far too long, my friend.

Now, don't forget to take Skittles with you when you go visiting. ;-)

[Endangered Specie]

330. whoever said that should be tombstoned.

[LeftyMom]

334. They were.

:shrug:

[bjobotts]

331. Arming the GOP wingers..."Look at the insane violent ranting liberals on DU"

[WilliamPitt]

418. Yup. It'll all be my fault from here on in. I'm like the guy who caused the subprime meltdown.

Head down the mountain.

[no name no slogan]

332. I don't get it

but I agree entirely.


:kick:

[Skittles]

336. YOU SPEAK MY LANGUAGE, WILL PITT!!!!!!

yes INDEED!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[PurpleChez]

337. Save the drama for your mama

I'd say about three sentences into your "discussion" you stopped posting and started performing. We've all seen you now. Yea. Clap-clap-clap. We agree with you. Get over it.

[WilliamPitt]

346. I'll try

Thanks for the stirring round of anomie. Hope things turn up for you. Get a plant, like the guy in The Professional. Don't name it, though. That might get kinda weird. Trust me.

[PurpleChez]

426. "Don't agree with WilliamPitt" = anomie ???

Wow! How frikkin' self-centered can you be? And, for the record, I actually DO agree with you...with your point at least. I just felt that the STYLE of your presentation was bad performance art that was more suited to a freshman dorm than an adult discussion site.

[hiaasenrocks]

357. Exactly. And if there's anything more laughable than the bad writing

it's the part about physical violence. If you've ever seen the guy behind those words, you know how funny it is. :)

And with that, I've wasted enough time on this thread and the poster (especially his website full of bs). Ignore list growing by the day...

[PurpleChez]

427. Thanks!

I'm always amazed and somewhat disappointed by the number of posters who mistake rants -- and, even moreso, piles of obscenitites -- as thoughtful debate and discussion. Someone logs on, posts "fuck this motherfucking shit" and a hundred others line up shouting Amen, Preach on, Well said. Well said??? I actually agree with what the poster was saying, but I think it's pathetic that others mistake the style for some sort of rousing discussion.

[whistle]

339. Nicely said!

:hide: :yoiks:

[ColesCountyDem]

348. Lord have mercy! Tell us how you really feel, will you?

Right on!

:thumbsup::yourock:

[SeattleGirl]

349. Let 'er rip, Will!!

And let me know if you need any help! I'd be happy to make a few granite pizza's to sling at the likes of those folks.!

[Johnny Noshoes]

352. DAMN SON....

Thank you a billion times Will. :toast: :thumbsup: :applause:

[hiaasenrocks]

353. I haven't seen it, but if I do I hope I'm mature enough not to throw such

a childish fit about it. Good Lord, get a hold of yourself.

[WilliamPitt]

355. OK. I will do that. Doing it riiiiiight...

now.

*whew*

That was close.

Or something.

[robertpaulsen]

354. Because John Paul Stevens turns 88 in April, I'd like to join your chicadee deflowering.

:yourock:

[bagimin]

358. Now we're talkin.

[Wetzelbill]

359. uh, she has long since been deflowered, but you know...

I only blame myself for that one. :evilgrin:

[BoneDaddy]

366. LOL

Well done man. Well done....

(does support clap you see in all high school teenage movies)

[Chisox08]

367. Anybody that wants McCain to win

Is not a true Democrat. :argh:
They don't care about what is best for the party or more importantly what is best for this country and the world. The world can not put up with 4 more years of failed Bush policy. With McCain all we will get is the same Bullshit with a new coat of paint.

[SunDrop23]

369. Spot. Fuggin. On. William.

That is all.

[zulchzulu]

371. I found out someone who has a PHD will vote for McCain because Obama is "a muslim"

I got this staggering news from someone who doesn't like the Clintons and "is a Catholic". He just can't vote for "a muslim".

[shaniqua6392]

372. That was smoking hot stuff Will!!

I think I love you. :loveya:

[Canuckistanian]

374. Chicadee deflowering? Whoa, that's harsh

But understandable for the situation.

Trolls are one thing. But for regular members, TOTALLY UNFORGIVEABLE.

[TheManInTheMac]

375. Sounds like you got your angry back. n/t

[Boudica the Lyoness]

376. Fuck everybody who pisses Pitt off

Fuck idiots who want a Republican to win..anything. Fuck 'em all, the short, the fat and the tall.
I would also like to remind everyone that William Pitt posted on my one and only thread I started.
I was rather slutty handing out my valentine hearts but I saved two for special time but now all the hearts have buggered off till next year. Here's two kisses for being such a fighter Will Pitts. x x

[AZBlue]

377. K & R !!!

[bluerum]

378. self delete

[bluerum]

379. Eeeexxxccelent.

I hope that you remembered to .

[MadMaddie]

380. Yes you did have to say that...if they want to support McCain

then this is not the site for them. If you are out there leave gracefully, go away to freeper land.

Diverse opinnions are welcome but when an individual supports the Republicans....they should take their ball and go home.

Well done Will!!

[midnight]

382. This point can't be more important. Thanks for pointing this out.

"The Supreme Court matters, assbag. Choice matters. Lather rinse repeat."

[RBInMaine]

383. Anarchy isn't the answer. Relax pal.

[rhett o rick]

387. So what is the answer??? nm

[eridani]

397. 42

Now what was that question again?

[rhett o rick]

400. What was 4 plus 2.

[jwirr]

384. Thank you, William. Every time I see these posts I cringe. If they

do not care about our nation the least they can do is care about the poor, disabled and elderly. We cannot afford another term of gop. My first candidate did not even run - Al Gore. My second candidate has dropped out - John Edwards. Yet I will vote for whoever wins the nomination because there are people who need help in this nation and it is a sure thing that the gop will not give that help.

[rhett o rick]

388. I appreciate your passion. How do you review over 300 comments? Best I have had is like 20. nm

[Barrymores Ghost]

390. William Rivers Pitt: an Oscar Wilde for this modern-day America!!!

Sorry I missed you earlier, you magnificent bastard. We can catch up tomorrow.

[Spiffarino]

391. I wasn't going to read your rant.

It looked for all like just another "I love ______ and fuck (him)(her) for saying that!"

Great rant, dude. Thank you for saying what I've said many times and been bitten in the ass for saying. Choice, judges, veterans, the poor...it all matters very, very much.

[jbm]

392. oh please...

I'm sure it's totally not allowed to call BS on a post by WillPitt, but insisting that Democrats MUST vote for the Democratic candidate falls into the same "my country right or wrong" rhetoric that we (rightly) criticize when the republicans do it. Would it have not been more honorable, AND better for the Republican party if members of that party would have refused to vote for GW because they believed him to be unqualified and incompetent?

I am a Democrat not because I like the sound of the word. I am a Democrat because I have a vision for society, and the party allows me a structure to work towards the acheivement of those goals. Rant and rave all you want, and if burning my house down makes you feel better, fine. I'm heavily insured and it would save me from having to finish the laundry. But rest assured I'll vote for whom I wish based on my own interpretation of what is really in the best interest of the people. And I think that makes me the best kind of Democrat.

[Neshanic]

393. I will vote for our saviour no matter what, but will you still come over to my house?

You sound like a blast!

I may be able to dig up a pony...not literally.

[Political Heretic]

394. God I can't wait until the ignore feature works again.

[Splinter Cell]

395. Cripes

Go blow off some steam.

First of all, I agree that McCain is not what America needs. However, this is a forum for people to discuss things. I'm getting sick and tired of people blowing up and whining when somebody doesn't agree with them, that they're a "traitor" and blah blah blah.

Trolls are one thing, but if somebody on here doesn't quite live up to your standard for what a democrat/progressive/whatever should be, that's your problem. You can't win an argument by just telling everyone you disagree with to fuck off.

[WilliamPitt]

417. Well, I did. So...

...*shrug*

;)

[2bfree]

396. Tell it like it is!

It is time we get our shit together around here and remember who we are.

[idovoodoo]

398. A lot of people seem to think you're Jesus warmed over.

There's no accounting for taste.

[WilliamPitt]

409. How does one pronounce your screen name?

Eye Doo Voo Doo?

Yes?

[DFW]

441. Is it OK if I agree 100%

Without concluding that you are the self-proclaimed son of any dieties, real or imagined, or even thinking you ever claimed to be?

[againes654]

399. The really important thing here is that you don't over-react

Just kidding.

I hear ya!! K&R

[GainesT1958]

402. OK, OK, WILL...

Calm down...and tell us what you REALLY think, will ya?:eyes:

B-)

[Ellipsis]

407. Well... all right then.

:toast:

K&R

[southerncrone]

410. Mr. Pitt's Justified Rant!

WTF are these dumasses thinking!

I cannot fathom how anyone here at DU could consciously vote for John "100 more years of Iraq War" McCain!

We should all place them on our ignore lists. :spank:
Name names, Will. I've missed those posts.

A statement like that is pure insanity. They should go over to FReeperville & get the F out of DU! I'm pissed, too, Will! :argh:

[chknltl]

411. Garsh darn it Will Pitt!!!!

Most of the time I agree with you but this time you go too far! I was right there with ya', right up to that point where you threatened to deflower someone's chickadee. I had to look at that three times! Did Officer Bar Brady arrest the wrong man? Is William Pitt the chicken fucker? Well after THAT revelation, you can bet that I'll be keepin' a close eye on you! Next time you make a caffeine induced threat like that, well there's gonna be heck to pay, HECK I tell ya!

chknltl, defender of the lil' chickadee's and their flowers.

[Kurovski]

412. K&R. (nt)

[bigbrother05]

414. My dogs will eat your lye ridden hands before you get on their

couch, Great Rant and some interesting responses.

[Jack Rabbit]

420. Gee, Will. Don't hold anything back, now. Tell us you really feel.

!!

[meowomon]

422. I support the Democratic nominee.

Period!

[Joanne98]

423. wow

[SalmonChantedEvening]

424. I'll supply the matches and the lye ;)

Will done Well, I mean ummm...

Ah fuggit it looks good.

:yourock: :pals:

[rucky]

428. I was just about to say the exact same thing.

Zowie!

[chemenger]

429. WOW!!! Well Ranted,

William.

[natrat]

430. while i agree with the op , blind faith in any politician is absurd

not my words-
"It's time to hit the streets, now, and crush the nuts of this oligarchic monster. We have to stand up, en masse, against an illegally installed regime that has enslaved us. We have to close down highways, perverted agencies and predatory financial terrorists. There is no representative entity left in government because we allowed, for too long, psychotic tyranny to mangle every protection we had. So, let's quit talking as if votes counted and get going. Otherwise, in months, not years, there WILL be extended war, WILL be a declaration of martial law, WILL be a complete silencing of dissent, WILL be a roundup of every sane voice and a mass imprisonment of U.S citizens. Think I'm being an alarmist or agitator? Think Obama or Clinton are on your side? Think that some phantom force will correct the damage done? Think again, because the final steps to permanent fascism are in place. Force has to be met with force, not a sweet and gentle Pollyanna belief in an already broken, now brutal, system."

[Le Taz Hot]

431. Is that all?

I thought you were doing one of your semi-annual "I'm leaving DU for good and this time and I mean it" swan songs.

Dude, have another drink and chill already.

[CitizenLeft]

435. outstanding.

Thank you! :applause:

[montanto]

438. Wow, you'll burn my house down

if I disagree with you!!? Funny, burning people's houses down. Hilarious.

BTW I'll vote for what ever Dem comes onto my plate. What choice have we when starving?

[Generic Other]

440. Deflower my chickadee and I'll castrate your flamingo!!!

I still have my knife wounds from the Night of the Long Knives. Didn't you cut up my couch cushions and piss in my teacup that time?

Will Pitt, you make me feel all warm and fuzzy sometimes.

I will roast marshmallows in the heat of your righteous anger!! And I am GLAD you fucking said it.

:hug:

[Name removed]

444. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

448. Sometimes...

I spread raw honey across my junk, then butter knife a variety of seed across said sticky stain, in the hopes that a flock of chickadees will pull answers from questions unasked.

[donheld]

450. kick for the hell of it.

[smb]

451. Clarification....

Second time in 48 hours I've seen this exact sentiment posted ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

Is that 48 continuous hours, or 48 business hours?

[richardhead]

452. Will.........

Well, I always suspected Will might be a chickenf****r......

Now we know!

[GoneOffShore]

453. Will - tell us how you really feel - Don't hold back.

K&R

[deaniac21]

454. I know who I am voting for on May 12......

[smitty]

455. Yawn. Typical rant from the Pittster. Telling us everything we

already knew only with 75% more obscenities.

[puebloknot]

456. It's "testicle"! He who has them may want to know how to spell them!

Not arguing with your premise, really. Just watching the back of an English teacher.